1 00:01:11,550 --> 00:00:26,020 [Music] 2 00:01:13,830 --> 00:01:11,560 and good afternoon from Philadelphia 3 00:01:17,310 --> 00:01:13,840 Frank here with another episode of UFO 4 00:01:18,870 --> 00:01:17,320 news network Sunday today we have a very 5 00:01:20,730 --> 00:01:18,880 special guest and I'm going to turn 6 00:01:23,370 --> 00:01:20,740 things right over to chant Hannah my 7 00:01:25,830 --> 00:01:23,380 co-host to introduce him chant go ahead 8 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:25,840 hi Frank thank you so much we have a 9 00:01:30,210 --> 00:01:27,970 wonderful guest today his name is Dean 10 00:01:32,670 --> 00:01:30,220 Ashley he's a friend of Frank and I and 11 00:01:34,350 --> 00:01:32,680 he's married with two children born and 12 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:34,360 raised in st. Louis graduated college 13 00:01:39,060 --> 00:01:36,610 with a BA in English joined the Navy in 14 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:39,070 1996 became an aviation electronics 15 00:01:44,250 --> 00:01:41,410 technician and served for a little over 16 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:44,260 four years when I asked him to share a 17 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:46,090 little bit about himself he said gained 18 00:01:50,219 --> 00:01:48,850 the rank of e5 was decided the civilian 19 00:01:52,740 --> 00:01:50,229 world was better suited for me 20 00:01:54,510 --> 00:01:52,750 eventually found a job as depot level 21 00:01:56,580 --> 00:01:54,520 floor technician and have been in the 22 00:01:58,680 --> 00:01:56,590 same position ever since I have worked 23 00:02:00,900 --> 00:01:58,690 on a variety of Flers both old and new 24 00:02:02,910 --> 00:02:00,910 analog and digital I have seen more 25 00:02:04,020 --> 00:02:02,920 things in the sky with floors over with 26 00:02:05,910 --> 00:02:04,030 blurs over the years with different 27 00:02:07,590 --> 00:02:05,920 systems that make me believe that I'm 28 00:02:09,749 --> 00:02:07,600 somewhat of an expert in the field I'm 29 00:02:11,820 --> 00:02:09,759 not alone there are others in my shop 30 00:02:16,970 --> 00:02:11,830 but they aren't interested in commenting 31 00:02:22,949 --> 00:02:19,830 Dean thanks for coming on you know thank 32 00:02:25,350 --> 00:02:22,959 you for taking the time to to spend a 33 00:02:27,300 --> 00:02:25,360 little bit of time explaining the topic 34 00:02:30,050 --> 00:02:27,310 that you do research on today and also 35 00:02:32,850 --> 00:02:30,060 wanted to ask you who do you work for 36 00:02:35,610 --> 00:02:32,860 well I'm a defense contractor for 37 00:02:38,100 --> 00:02:35,620 government agency those type things I 38 00:02:39,630 --> 00:02:38,110 like to keep to myself because I'm still 39 00:02:41,330 --> 00:02:39,640 working on these government contracts 40 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:41,340 and I don't want to jeopardize my 41 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:45,610 livelihood but it is a three-letter 42 00:02:52,470 --> 00:02:49,450 agency it's pretty big and we'll just 43 00:02:54,300 --> 00:02:52,480 leave it at that for now that's fine you 44 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:54,310 know we have a lot of guests actually 45 00:03:00,900 --> 00:02:57,690 high-profile guests too who work in 46 00:03:03,410 --> 00:03:00,910 defense contract type of positions and 47 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:03,420 they definitely feel the same way you do 48 00:03:08,430 --> 00:03:05,650 researching this topic kind of puts them 49 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:08,440 in that position so it's it's 50 00:03:11,490 --> 00:03:10,090 interesting we all have a passion for 51 00:03:13,770 --> 00:03:11,500 the same topic but we want to at least 52 00:03:16,830 --> 00:03:13,780 keep some semblance of privacy in our 53 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:16,840 lives wanted to ask you could you please 54 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:20,050 tell me oh do you recall the first 55 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:20,890 moment 56 00:03:27,030 --> 00:03:23,650 that you felt the impetus to actually 57 00:03:31,290 --> 00:03:27,040 want to get to marry the topic of Fleur 58 00:03:33,870 --> 00:03:31,300 technology to the topic of UFOs or you 59 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:33,880 ApS or you go ahead and tell us what 60 00:03:41,970 --> 00:03:39,370 topic that is okay looking back I've 61 00:03:44,100 --> 00:03:41,980 always been kind of a fan of science 62 00:03:47,220 --> 00:03:44,110 fiction and whatnot but I've never seen 63 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:47,230 anything that would make me a real 64 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:50,530 believer until I saw something that made 65 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:54,130 me a skeptic which was the agua dia 66 00:04:00,660 --> 00:03:57,010 Puerto Rico UFO case that I stumbled 67 00:04:03,390 --> 00:04:00,670 across online when it was done by the 68 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:03,400 SDU at the time scientific Coalition for 69 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:06,850 ufology so I contacted them through 70 00:04:17,940 --> 00:04:12,250 their hyperlink and from there I started 71 00:04:22,220 --> 00:04:17,950 talking to some of the people and let's 72 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:22,230 see I was talking to Richard rich - rich 73 00:04:28,830 --> 00:04:26,890 Hoffman and Robert Pape though we kind 74 00:04:31,170 --> 00:04:28,840 of went through the whole thing and I 75 00:04:33,810 --> 00:04:31,180 took the video to the shop and I showed 76 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:33,820 my co-workers and you know all our years 77 00:04:38,750 --> 00:04:35,650 of combined experience we couldn't 78 00:04:43,020 --> 00:04:38,760 really come up with something that was a 79 00:04:45,690 --> 00:04:43,030 feasible theory so that's where I kind 80 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:45,700 of remain today is that video freaked me 81 00:04:49,170 --> 00:04:46,930 out a lot of people are gonna say it's a 82 00:04:52,260 --> 00:04:49,180 mylar balloon or was a pelican or 83 00:04:56,690 --> 00:04:52,270 whatever but not from what we've seen on 84 00:04:59,219 --> 00:04:56,700 the videos because we get sent videos by 85 00:05:02,940 --> 00:04:59,229 pilots avionics techs and stuff to 86 00:05:05,340 --> 00:05:02,950 analyze problems system problems and we 87 00:05:08,430 --> 00:05:05,350 see that we also run the systems out 88 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:08,440 back so we've seen plenty of video and 89 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:10,450 then just didn't jive with the kind of 90 00:05:15,930 --> 00:05:12,850 things that we're used to saying oh that 91 00:05:18,510 --> 00:05:15,940 was dean real quick what was it about 92 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:18,520 the Aguadilla video that led you to 93 00:05:25,770 --> 00:05:21,130 believe it wasn't mylar balloons or 94 00:05:27,150 --> 00:05:25,780 Birds I think it's it was the the heat 95 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:27,160 of the object and there was no obvious 96 00:05:33,450 --> 00:05:29,530 propulsion I mean I understand a balloon 97 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:33,460 wall it seemed like linear and travel it 98 00:05:37,650 --> 00:05:34,570 just 99 00:05:41,250 --> 00:05:37,660 is more erratic it'll go with the wind 100 00:05:43,620 --> 00:05:41,260 but for the in order for this object to 101 00:05:45,750 --> 00:05:43,630 just travel in this linear fashion 102 00:05:47,220 --> 00:05:45,760 they just didn't seem right and I know 103 00:05:49,650 --> 00:05:47,230 that the plane is going a different 104 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:49,660 direction than the balloon and there 105 00:05:54,930 --> 00:05:52,210 might be some differences in elevation 106 00:05:59,250 --> 00:05:54,940 and whatnot but um it just seemed like 107 00:06:00,690 --> 00:05:59,260 um it didn't seem right you know the 108 00:06:03,150 --> 00:06:00,700 heat usually if you're gonna have a 109 00:06:04,350 --> 00:06:03,160 drone or mylar balloon mylar balloons 110 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:04,360 are gonna be cold especially at that 111 00:06:08,820 --> 00:06:06,130 time at night it was like I think 9 112 00:06:11,340 --> 00:06:08,830 o'clock at night and this was pretty hot 113 00:06:14,430 --> 00:06:11,350 it was like the heat of you know an 114 00:06:17,780 --> 00:06:14,440 engine or you know over a hundred and 115 00:06:19,770 --> 00:06:17,790 140 degrees something like that but ok 116 00:06:22,290 --> 00:06:19,780 that's what kind of maintenance good 117 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:22,300 because you're gonna see if it's you 118 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:24,010 know drone you'll see the motors you'll 119 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:26,850 see the props you it's just it wasn't it 120 00:06:32,910 --> 00:06:29,770 didn't I have okay 121 00:06:35,250 --> 00:06:32,920 okay and when how are you able to look 122 00:06:37,230 --> 00:06:35,260 at that piece of video and determine the 123 00:06:40,710 --> 00:06:37,240 heat that it's giving us and how do you 124 00:06:42,060 --> 00:06:40,720 know that it's about 140 degrees I'm not 125 00:06:44,540 --> 00:06:42,070 gonna say it's that temperature exactly 126 00:06:47,370 --> 00:06:44,550 because that's really hard to assess 127 00:06:49,020 --> 00:06:47,380 yeah just approximately oh yeah let's 128 00:06:51,270 --> 00:06:49,030 say between a hundred and two hundred 129 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:51,280 degrees whatever you know and how are 130 00:06:55,700 --> 00:06:52,690 you able to determine the temperature by 131 00:06:58,020 --> 00:06:55,710 looking at the video temperature range 132 00:07:00,060 --> 00:06:58,030 yeah you see things in the background 133 00:07:01,710 --> 00:07:00,070 like you see the cars driving on the 134 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:01,720 street I think at one point there was an 135 00:07:05,430 --> 00:07:03,730 engine on the tarmac there are other 136 00:07:08,130 --> 00:07:05,440 things to compare it to but it gets kind 137 00:07:11,540 --> 00:07:08,140 of tricky oh I know it was hot to the 138 00:07:14,010 --> 00:07:11,550 the air that it was traveling through 139 00:07:17,300 --> 00:07:14,020 because otherwise a balloon which was 140 00:07:20,100 --> 00:07:17,310 made out of a kind of tin foil mylar 141 00:07:22,950 --> 00:07:20,110 it's gonna cool down quickly and it 142 00:07:27,060 --> 00:07:22,960 wouldn't retain that heat so that's 143 00:07:32,100 --> 00:07:27,070 right it's it's gonna hard to explain 144 00:07:33,990 --> 00:07:32,110 but um you know I'm just comparing that 145 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:34,000 compared to the other objects in the 146 00:07:45,900 --> 00:07:37,450 background okay and the Aguadilla that 147 00:07:47,890 --> 00:07:45,910 was a FLIR video as well yes let me try 148 00:07:50,260 --> 00:07:47,900 to make a distinction clear 149 00:07:53,590 --> 00:07:50,270 is forward-looking infra-red not to be 150 00:07:55,210 --> 00:07:53,600 confused with FSI which is where Systems 151 00:07:58,540 --> 00:07:55,220 Inc now sometimes are used 152 00:08:00,279 --> 00:07:58,550 interchangeably but when I say it's a 153 00:08:02,610 --> 00:08:00,289 FLIR video that just means it's an 154 00:08:06,700 --> 00:08:02,620 infrared video that's you know airborne 155 00:08:08,590 --> 00:08:06,710 sort of like not to jump in I think I'll 156 00:08:11,140 --> 00:08:08,600 clear this up for us at least some older 157 00:08:12,790 --> 00:08:11,150 folks they used to call every kind a lot 158 00:08:22,870 --> 00:08:12,800 of folks would call every copy machine a 159 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:22,880 Xerox machine okay okay oh yeah I keep 160 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:30,700 talking about the difference between 161 00:08:35,469 --> 00:08:34,010 what a flare is I was listening to 162 00:08:37,899 --> 00:08:35,479 actually can you can you explain 163 00:08:39,790 --> 00:08:37,909 elaborate a little bit more if there's 164 00:08:41,500 --> 00:08:39,800 any subtle or big differences if people 165 00:08:43,329 --> 00:08:41,510 have any misconceptions about what Fleur 166 00:08:45,100 --> 00:08:43,339 yeah and if you could explain the 167 00:08:48,100 --> 00:08:45,110 difference between FLIR and night-vision 168 00:08:49,930 --> 00:08:48,110 cuz I know a lot of folks go out on sky 169 00:08:51,550 --> 00:08:49,940 watches and whatnot and there's a lot of 170 00:08:54,430 --> 00:08:51,560 night vision floating around as well 171 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:54,440 goggles and cameras and so on so if you 172 00:08:59,640 --> 00:08:55,850 could explain those differences that'd 173 00:09:05,530 --> 00:09:02,380 different manufacturers our shop takes 174 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:05,540 in different manufacturers somewhere in 175 00:09:11,710 --> 00:09:08,330 Canada some are in Portland somewhere in 176 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:11,720 Boston that kind of thing but yeah 177 00:09:15,940 --> 00:09:13,970 you're working on a variety of different 178 00:09:19,300 --> 00:09:15,950 ones than we get a factory trained that 179 00:09:20,980 --> 00:09:19,310 kind of thing as far as the difference 180 00:09:24,130 --> 00:09:20,990 between em fur that's a very good 181 00:09:26,590 --> 00:09:24,140 question because let's start at visible 182 00:09:31,060 --> 00:09:26,600 light which is like 400 to 700 183 00:09:33,579 --> 00:09:31,070 nanometers and that covers your rainbow 184 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:33,589 spectrum there yep and they go in the 185 00:09:39,870 --> 00:09:37,970 near IR which is about I'm just gonna 186 00:09:42,670 --> 00:09:39,880 say about eight nine hundred nanometers 187 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:42,680 okay so that's gonna be your video 188 00:09:47,230 --> 00:09:44,450 systems like your closed-circuit 189 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:47,240 television you guys your cameras that 190 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:48,770 are mounted and they have like an array 191 00:09:56,620 --> 00:09:53,330 of LEDs around the actual CCD or charge 192 00:09:59,740 --> 00:09:56,630 couple device so at night it needs 193 00:10:01,090 --> 00:09:59,750 illumination to see what's on the ground 194 00:10:04,270 --> 00:10:01,100 what you're looking at 195 00:10:06,790 --> 00:10:04,280 so that's where that array of LEDs comes 196 00:10:08,770 --> 00:10:06,800 into play because it'll switch over it 197 00:10:10,630 --> 00:10:08,780 says hey I like a photodiode or 198 00:10:12,310 --> 00:10:10,640 something to say hey look it's now night 199 00:10:16,020 --> 00:10:12,320 time where you need to turn the LEDs on 200 00:10:18,730 --> 00:10:16,030 and you know illuminate this source so 201 00:10:20,950 --> 00:10:18,740 that's still working in kind of a 202 00:10:24,550 --> 00:10:20,960 visible spectrum but when you're getting 203 00:10:28,060 --> 00:10:24,560 into shortwave infrared which is like 204 00:10:31,020 --> 00:10:28,070 kind of right the 1 2 3 micrometer then 205 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:31,030 you're kind of overlapping the heat and 206 00:10:36,430 --> 00:10:34,370 the visible spectrum but what I deal 207 00:10:41,700 --> 00:10:36,440 with mostly is mid wave which is a 3 to 208 00:10:47,050 --> 00:10:41,710 5 micrometer so that is strictly thermal 209 00:10:48,850 --> 00:10:47,060 so it doesn't care about light anymore 210 00:10:50,710 --> 00:10:48,860 it just cares about heat and that's 211 00:10:52,060 --> 00:10:50,720 where people have a confusion because 212 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:52,070 unless you use these systems a lot 213 00:10:57,790 --> 00:10:55,010 you're not going to understand that the 214 00:11:00,580 --> 00:10:57,800 difference between the two you can take 215 00:11:01,530 --> 00:11:00,590 two flashlights let's say you have an 216 00:11:04,060 --> 00:11:01,540 old in Kontest 217 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:04,070 incandescent bulb flashlights in an LED 218 00:11:08,860 --> 00:11:07,010 flashlight well if you shine them both 219 00:11:11,050 --> 00:11:08,870 at the flare it's gonna see the bulb one 220 00:11:12,700 --> 00:11:11,060 easier because it sees the heat it's not 221 00:11:15,700 --> 00:11:12,710 gonna see the LED one at all because 222 00:11:18,550 --> 00:11:15,710 they're relatively not heat generating 223 00:11:20,620 --> 00:11:18,560 so you have to kind of relearn what 224 00:11:26,830 --> 00:11:20,630 you're seeing on the screen and it 225 00:11:28,420 --> 00:11:26,840 confuses a lot of people well I just was 226 00:11:29,830 --> 00:11:28,430 going over the Aguadilla report which i 227 00:11:32,380 --> 00:11:29,840 have in front of me and i also shared 228 00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:32,390 the link to that in the time of the chat 229 00:11:37,990 --> 00:11:35,510 the chatroom that we have going on the 230 00:11:40,210 --> 00:11:38,000 podcast and this aagadu report is you 231 00:11:42,370 --> 00:11:40,220 were talking about Dean which was 232 00:11:45,670 --> 00:11:42,380 written up by folks from the scientific 233 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:45,680 coalition of UAP studies I noticed in it 234 00:11:51,070 --> 00:11:49,370 it says and the conclusion part of it 235 00:11:53,050 --> 00:11:51,080 the problem with assigning the 236 00:11:56,380 --> 00:11:53,060 temperature variation to low pressure 237 00:11:57,970 --> 00:11:56,390 zones is that variations with the same 238 00:12:00,220 --> 00:11:57,980 order of magnitude are seen to be 239 00:12:02,530 --> 00:12:00,230 occurring in areas away from the unknown 240 00:12:04,570 --> 00:12:02,540 object so there could be issues 241 00:12:09,100 --> 00:12:04,580 regarding assigning temperature 242 00:12:12,150 --> 00:12:09,110 variation to low pressure zones so 243 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:12,160 there's all kinds of potential 244 00:12:17,230 --> 00:12:14,930 challenges that a person might deal with 245 00:12:19,739 --> 00:12:17,240 regarding studying you AP's in the sky 246 00:12:22,509 --> 00:12:19,749 with flair technology is that right 247 00:12:24,999 --> 00:12:22,519 that's very right and there's also the 248 00:12:27,639 --> 00:12:25,009 issue of the auto gain and Auto level 249 00:12:30,340 --> 00:12:27,649 within the clear that automatically 250 00:12:33,220 --> 00:12:30,350 adjust the gain level depending on the 251 00:12:35,199 --> 00:12:33,230 scene that it's looking at so there's 252 00:12:37,269 --> 00:12:35,209 gonna be you can't really say oh that's 253 00:12:39,970 --> 00:12:37,279 gonna be 180 degrees because it's 254 00:12:42,699 --> 00:12:39,980 automatically adjusting the the white 255 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:42,709 gray black gradients to what it's 256 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:45,529 looking at okay looking at a jet engine 257 00:12:53,619 --> 00:12:48,290 and it's gonna tone things down you know 258 00:12:54,910 --> 00:12:53,629 it's not going to be sharp no it's okay 259 00:12:56,590 --> 00:12:54,920 you could you don't even have to use 260 00:12:58,419 --> 00:12:56,600 layman language all the time because 261 00:13:01,989 --> 00:12:58,429 there are people who will listen to show 262 00:13:04,210 --> 00:13:01,999 who are our expert level so so so see if 263 00:13:10,929 --> 00:13:04,220 you can do layman language and the 264 00:13:14,199 --> 00:13:10,939 expert language that's fine okay it's a 265 00:13:17,230 --> 00:13:14,209 fluctuation and the and the scenes that 266 00:13:22,090 --> 00:13:17,240 you will be seeing so I'll just leave it 267 00:13:23,499 --> 00:13:22,100 there yeah and then also yeah Dean I 268 00:13:27,579 --> 00:13:23,509 want to jump in here real quick with a 269 00:13:30,730 --> 00:13:27,589 question now on the actual Raytheon and 270 00:13:33,129 --> 00:13:30,740 FLIR pod display information now it 271 00:13:35,860 --> 00:13:33,139 looks like you know what you would look 272 00:13:37,929 --> 00:13:35,870 at when you look in the the the 273 00:13:41,499 --> 00:13:37,939 viewfinder of sort of any camera where 274 00:13:45,389 --> 00:13:41,509 it's got different measurements 275 00:13:49,139 --> 00:13:45,399 available and do you know if the 276 00:13:52,239 --> 00:13:49,149 infrared level you know the the the 277 00:13:54,429 --> 00:13:52,249 height of the wavelength so is that an 278 00:13:58,210 --> 00:13:54,439 adjustable kind of thing or is that that 279 00:13:59,650 --> 00:13:58,220 pretty well set no that should be an 280 00:14:01,329 --> 00:13:59,660 adjustable thing at least from the 281 00:14:04,989 --> 00:14:01,339 systems that I work with you know you 282 00:14:07,090 --> 00:14:04,999 can go annual gain in level and adjusted 283 00:14:13,030 --> 00:14:07,100 just a situation I don't see why they 284 00:14:15,429 --> 00:14:13,040 wouldn't make certain situations where 285 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:15,439 the auto dating level isn't gonna do 286 00:14:19,119 --> 00:14:16,970 what you want it to so you're gonna want 287 00:14:22,389 --> 00:14:19,129 to be able to you know manipulate it to 288 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:22,399 your likings okay now on the screen now 289 00:14:27,830 --> 00:14:24,170 I don't know if you have that available 290 00:14:30,170 --> 00:14:27,840 but the the at FLIR display in 291 00:14:33,770 --> 00:14:30,180 the the on the right-hand side under 292 00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:33,780 where it says LST I saw the same number 293 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:36,720 on a couple of different videos 1688 do 294 00:14:42,230 --> 00:14:38,730 you know if a that's the adjustment or 295 00:14:45,020 --> 00:14:42,240 the the wavelength levels for the the 296 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:45,030 infrared light spectrum are you not do 297 00:14:53,180 --> 00:14:48,450 you just not know what that is or my 298 00:14:55,070 --> 00:14:53,190 glasses you say it's LST yeah it's on 299 00:14:57,020 --> 00:14:55,080 the right side of the display and 300 00:15:00,980 --> 00:14:57,030 there's nothing there describing what it 301 00:15:02,750 --> 00:15:00,990 is or what it does yeah I have a shirt 302 00:15:05,060 --> 00:15:02,760 screen going Frank are you talking about 303 00:15:07,220 --> 00:15:05,070 the picture you have right now yeah it's 304 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:07,230 gonna be the to the right right under 305 00:15:13,940 --> 00:15:09,330 where it says LST you've got two numbers 306 00:15:16,070 --> 00:15:13,950 1688 and 1688 oh I see it okay do you 307 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:16,080 see it right there my arrows going over 308 00:15:21,290 --> 00:15:19,530 at LST okay maybe it's like laser slant 309 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:21,300 or maybe they're doing some kind of 310 00:15:27,980 --> 00:15:24,570 slant range okay anything to do with the 311 00:15:29,810 --> 00:15:27,990 manual Gaynor levels okay okay so I 312 00:15:32,150 --> 00:15:29,820 wanted to also ask you a little bit more 313 00:15:35,300 --> 00:15:32,160 about this agua do report because in 314 00:15:37,610 --> 00:15:35,310 there it also talks about this it says 315 00:15:40,010 --> 00:15:37,620 some arguments have been advanced that 316 00:15:42,590 --> 00:15:40,020 the object regarding again the aqua do 317 00:15:44,390 --> 00:15:42,600 report could be a balloon and that the 318 00:15:46,370 --> 00:15:44,400 motion of the balloon relative to the 319 00:15:48,350 --> 00:15:46,380 background is an illusion created by the 320 00:15:51,470 --> 00:15:48,360 motion of the plane circling the balloon 321 00:15:54,110 --> 00:15:51,480 that is incorrect there are some frames 322 00:15:56,420 --> 00:15:54,120 of video having no background motion at 323 00:16:00,400 --> 00:15:56,430 all and the UAP can be seen changing 324 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:00,410 locations relative to the background so 325 00:16:04,970 --> 00:16:02,730 there's folks and I have seen this - 326 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:04,980 I've seen a few videos where people are 327 00:16:12,530 --> 00:16:08,010 vehemently exclaiming and explaining 328 00:16:14,990 --> 00:16:12,540 that there this Aguadilla object was a 329 00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:15,000 balloon why was it not a balloon in your 330 00:16:24,500 --> 00:16:21,360 opinion team the nature of the travel 331 00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:24,510 because if the balloon was flying oh 332 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:27,360 cool it's just across the Iowan then you 333 00:16:31,130 --> 00:16:28,650 would see more changes in elevation 334 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:31,140 because a balloon just doesn't fly in a 335 00:16:36,620 --> 00:16:34,050 straight line and it doesn't I know it 336 00:16:40,310 --> 00:16:36,630 was kind of like yeah that makes sense 337 00:16:41,900 --> 00:16:40,320 actually it's just yeah it's just 338 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:41,910 happily floating in the air 339 00:16:47,420 --> 00:16:44,970 you know so it is this just looked like 340 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:47,430 it was headed in a certain direction and 341 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:50,010 then of course when it gets to the the 342 00:16:54,530 --> 00:16:53,130 ocean mm-hmm it goes under the water 343 00:16:57,620 --> 00:16:54,540 from what it looks like there's a bit of 344 00:17:00,050 --> 00:16:57,630 ha what that was and then when it pops 345 00:17:03,110 --> 00:17:00,060 up water and it splits into objects 346 00:17:05,140 --> 00:17:03,120 that's another line of speculation 347 00:17:08,059 --> 00:17:05,150 because people have said ah no it's a 348 00:17:09,439 --> 00:17:08,069 that it was a bundled mylar balloon so 349 00:17:14,360 --> 00:17:09,449 that's why it appeared to do that that's 350 00:17:17,120 --> 00:17:14,370 that's that's a you know you a secrecy 351 00:17:18,710 --> 00:17:17,130 with the FLIR camera and I still say no 352 00:17:22,579 --> 00:17:18,720 they don't do that I've never seen them 353 00:17:24,650 --> 00:17:22,589 do that but I just I look at it and I 354 00:17:27,290 --> 00:17:24,660 say that's weird I show other people the 355 00:17:29,630 --> 00:17:27,300 shot though that's weird yeah and that 356 00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:29,640 also brings up another question that I 357 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:32,370 have for you and that is not just with 358 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:34,530 the Aguadilla report regarding this 359 00:17:38,780 --> 00:17:36,210 object that seemed to have some kind of 360 00:17:43,610 --> 00:17:38,790 intelligence that was dictating where it 361 00:17:46,910 --> 00:17:43,620 went but also in many reports around the 362 00:17:49,070 --> 00:17:46,920 world there are objects that are 363 00:17:51,470 --> 00:17:49,080 reported traversing at incredibly high 364 00:17:53,630 --> 00:17:51,480 speeds obviously there's some kind of 365 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:53,640 form of intelligence directing of the 366 00:17:59,420 --> 00:17:57,450 object whether it's something inside the 367 00:18:02,330 --> 00:17:59,430 craft if there is a craft or it's a 368 00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:02,340 drone related object what I wanted to 369 00:18:07,250 --> 00:18:04,260 ask you is you ever rely on your gut 370 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:07,260 feeling common sense so to speak or 371 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:08,970 rationalizing it through gut feeling 372 00:18:13,700 --> 00:18:11,370 saying this feels like this is not a 373 00:18:15,620 --> 00:18:13,710 balloon this feels like it's not a drone 374 00:18:26,750 --> 00:18:15,630 this feels like it could be something 375 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:26,760 else do you ever go by gut feeling the 376 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:30,210 weirdest thing that I see is things in 377 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:32,010 terms of motion and when we look out 378 00:18:36,350 --> 00:18:34,530 back with the system's when I look up in 379 00:18:38,780 --> 00:18:36,360 the sky is something circling it's a 380 00:18:40,850 --> 00:18:38,790 bird as something's traveling traveling 381 00:18:42,830 --> 00:18:40,860 in a linear fashion then it's a plane 382 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:42,840 could be a couple like that one right 383 00:18:50,660 --> 00:18:47,690 there that's a what is it's a p3 so 384 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:50,670 that's that's a close-up because we're 385 00:18:57,580 --> 00:18:55,050 kind of close to NES Jack's but um 386 00:19:00,440 --> 00:18:57,590 okay all right there you go that's a PA 387 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:00,450 so I see these things all the time and 388 00:19:05,420 --> 00:19:02,490 see those the spiking of the engines 389 00:19:07,070 --> 00:19:05,430 there and the flaring that's the what 390 00:19:09,710 --> 00:19:07,080 typically what a jet engine looks like 391 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:09,720 it looks like one of those little balls 392 00:19:13,220 --> 00:19:11,730 that you would stick your sock when 393 00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:13,230 you're a kid you know I'm talking about 394 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:15,840 mmm they're little hitchhikers or 395 00:19:22,430 --> 00:19:19,170 whatever they call it fluctuates but 396 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:22,440 that's what you're gonna see now I guess 397 00:19:25,910 --> 00:19:24,090 to the the videos that have been 398 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:25,920 released by the Defense Department the 399 00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:29,970 three the the FLIR the gimbal and the 400 00:19:34,130 --> 00:19:32,160 go-fast videos you've taken a closer 401 00:19:37,820 --> 00:19:34,140 look at all those and what about those 402 00:19:40,220 --> 00:19:37,830 that really got your attention you know 403 00:19:44,570 --> 00:19:40,230 the the gimbal is the one that rotates 404 00:19:46,030 --> 00:19:44,580 right right okay yeah the FLIR and 405 00:19:50,420 --> 00:19:46,040 they're gonna go fast 406 00:19:52,910 --> 00:19:50,430 yeah you know interesting but caught my 407 00:19:55,100 --> 00:19:52,920 attention was a gimbal and I've been 408 00:19:56,300 --> 00:19:55,110 arguing with skeptics for quite some 409 00:20:00,320 --> 00:19:56,310 time now okay 410 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:00,330 it's the it's how crisp the image 411 00:20:04,820 --> 00:20:01,890 remains because you see these things 412 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:04,830 flying and you see the heat signature 413 00:20:09,470 --> 00:20:07,290 that it gives you it's a kind of erratic 414 00:20:11,780 --> 00:20:09,480 but the gimbal one just kind of remains 415 00:20:14,690 --> 00:20:11,790 a consistent form and it's crisp and 416 00:20:17,030 --> 00:20:14,700 then when it does that rotation to me 417 00:20:20,930 --> 00:20:17,040 just a layman sturms it looks like 418 00:20:23,660 --> 00:20:20,940 you're adjusting like a potentiometer or 419 00:20:28,330 --> 00:20:23,670 on a motor it's just it rolls in a very 420 00:20:31,130 --> 00:20:28,340 odd fashion that I don't normally see I 421 00:20:33,770 --> 00:20:31,140 have recorded f-18s flying and I 422 00:20:36,770 --> 00:20:33,780 recorded one banking to the left and it 423 00:20:40,250 --> 00:20:36,780 didn't have the same signature as the 424 00:20:42,770 --> 00:20:40,260 one on gimble so you know I can you can 425 00:20:44,900 --> 00:20:42,780 tell you can get an idea of what the 426 00:20:51,050 --> 00:20:44,910 craft is by the heat signature can you 427 00:20:53,090 --> 00:20:51,060 not yeah because that's you know okay 428 00:20:58,010 --> 00:20:53,100 you got the f-18 video up there now yeah 429 00:21:01,820 --> 00:20:58,020 yeah I wanted to ask you just a random 430 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:01,830 question about radar whether you're an 431 00:21:08,340 --> 00:21:04,890 expert on radar or not how do you feel 432 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:08,350 about the possibility of radar 433 00:21:16,860 --> 00:21:13,330 regarding a UAP being used as proof that 434 00:21:18,389 --> 00:21:16,870 there was a UFO or a UAP again I 435 00:21:21,330 --> 00:21:18,399 understand that means unidentified 436 00:21:23,370 --> 00:21:21,340 object you know what I'm saying here but 437 00:21:26,159 --> 00:21:23,380 that it's not an airplane or whatever 438 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:26,169 but radar being used to determine as 439 00:21:33,090 --> 00:21:30,250 proof that it's not an airplane do you 440 00:21:39,450 --> 00:21:33,100 believe that that can be used as proof 441 00:21:41,070 --> 00:21:39,460 or evidence radar I do um I don't have 442 00:21:43,619 --> 00:21:41,080 any personal experience with repairing 443 00:21:48,180 --> 00:21:43,629 radar you know operating it in an 444 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:48,190 aircraft but I I have been approached by 445 00:21:55,409 --> 00:21:51,129 a pilot who talked to us in the shop and 446 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:55,419 he this is maybe twelve thirteen years 447 00:21:59,070 --> 00:21:57,610 ago he came into our shop and he said 448 00:22:01,320 --> 00:21:59,080 hey look you know I saw this thing on 449 00:22:03,419 --> 00:22:01,330 the aircraft like it was an older flare 450 00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:03,429 system but he said it was kind of cigar 451 00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:07,360 shaped and he said his radar just pinged 452 00:22:14,009 --> 00:22:09,360 out is the way he said it was all nines 453 00:22:15,450 --> 00:22:14,019 so wouldn't give him any these are the 454 00:22:19,409 --> 00:22:15,460 object just moved an incredible rate of 455 00:22:22,499 --> 00:22:19,419 speed and his radar in the aircraft was 456 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:22,509 showing him something ridiculous so it 457 00:22:27,629 --> 00:22:24,570 was corresponding in that fashion but 458 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:27,639 that's about all that comes to mind all 459 00:22:33,269 --> 00:22:31,210 I can give you on that okay and then I 460 00:22:36,090 --> 00:22:33,279 just wanted to ask you a different 461 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:36,100 question and that is when you were a kid 462 00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:40,210 and then you you went into like a you 463 00:22:44,820 --> 00:22:42,159 know like high school and then college 464 00:22:49,470 --> 00:22:44,830 at what point were you fascinated by 465 00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:49,480 technology that allowed people to record 466 00:22:54,749 --> 00:22:52,480 events in the sky were you recording all 467 00:22:57,749 --> 00:22:54,759 along or what point did you become 468 00:23:02,789 --> 00:22:57,759 fascinated by the equipment to use to do 469 00:23:05,100 --> 00:23:02,799 what you do I guess when I started my 470 00:23:08,639 --> 00:23:05,110 career job that I'm doing now I never 471 00:23:10,379 --> 00:23:08,649 was a Sky Watcher you know or I'll look 472 00:23:11,879 --> 00:23:10,389 up in the sky every once in a while but 473 00:23:13,919 --> 00:23:11,889 I'm just like anybody else in that 474 00:23:16,889 --> 00:23:13,929 regards um it didn't really start 475 00:23:20,009 --> 00:23:16,899 catching my attention until I saw the 476 00:23:22,609 --> 00:23:20,019 Aguadilla case and then I had a know my 477 00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,619 own little sighting in the 478 00:23:38,529 --> 00:23:24,960 I don't think I've told you about but 479 00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:42,499 are you guys okay a little bit of an 480 00:23:52,460 --> 00:23:49,090 how am i doing now you're doing quite 481 00:23:55,159 --> 00:23:52,470 okay alright so um anyway in the 482 00:24:03,999 --> 00:23:56,930 I was typing in an email and a co-worker 483 00:24:06,919 --> 00:24:04,009 came up to me so okay I was kind of 484 00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:06,929 annoyed because I'm sitting there you 485 00:24:10,820 --> 00:24:09,600 know structuring a sentence I just send 486 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:10,830 to a vendor you know I'm getting ready 487 00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:12,210 to type this email okay let's see what 488 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:14,940 you got right now so we go on the back 489 00:24:19,759 --> 00:24:17,129 and there's an object this guy is just a 490 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:19,769 circle and I said okay what a jet you 491 00:24:23,239 --> 00:24:20,970 know he's like now it's just been 492 00:24:25,930 --> 00:24:23,249 sitting there for 10-15 minutes I said 493 00:24:29,180 --> 00:24:25,940 okay so we started looking at it and 494 00:24:31,159 --> 00:24:29,190 then when he's all the weirdest thing is 495 00:24:35,060 --> 00:24:31,169 you can't see with a daylight cameras 496 00:24:38,539 --> 00:24:35,070 and we switch over to the EO wide and 497 00:24:42,289 --> 00:24:38,549 the EO arrow and you can't see the 498 00:24:43,759 --> 00:24:42,299 object it's a blue sky and by the size 499 00:24:44,779 --> 00:24:43,769 of it I couldn't understand why you 500 00:24:47,930 --> 00:24:44,789 wouldn't be able to see there's almost 501 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:47,940 like it was quote so the weirdest part 502 00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:50,369 of it is it didn't move you know cuz we 503 00:24:54,019 --> 00:24:51,840 look at the moon and stuff all the time 504 00:24:56,509 --> 00:24:54,029 and you still see the moon traversing to 505 00:24:59,299 --> 00:24:56,519 the sky because you know planetary 506 00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:59,309 movement but this thing didn't move it 507 00:25:04,159 --> 00:25:00,960 was like geosynchronous they just sat 508 00:25:05,539 --> 00:25:04,169 there and then we were about five or six 509 00:25:07,249 --> 00:25:05,549 of us were sitting there watching it and 510 00:25:08,810 --> 00:25:07,259 we said you know what we're watch it 511 00:25:11,899 --> 00:25:08,820 with this old analog system let's get a 512 00:25:13,489 --> 00:25:11,909 high-def system and get a better stand 513 00:25:15,529 --> 00:25:13,499 off you know so we can see it clearer 514 00:25:18,109 --> 00:25:15,539 and so that's what we did we put another 515 00:25:21,169 --> 00:25:18,119 system in its place and by the time the 516 00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:21,179 cryogenic cooler had reached his optimal 517 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:24,809 temperature then the system couldn't 518 00:25:29,060 --> 00:25:27,450 find it it was gone it was just there 519 00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:29,070 was no way it could have if it was a 520 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:30,960 plane or something just travel through 521 00:25:36,050 --> 00:25:33,330 the sky a jet vanished and we're 522 00:25:39,140 --> 00:25:36,060 thinking to ourselves well even if 523 00:25:39,890 --> 00:25:39,150 like a blip if it wouldn't take that 524 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:39,900 long 525 00:25:44,780 --> 00:25:41,850 we just couldn't figure it out so where 526 00:25:47,270 --> 00:25:44,790 to go where did it go yeah I've never 527 00:25:49,820 --> 00:25:47,280 seen it since and that kind of sucks 528 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:49,830 because I'm cursed now every time I look 529 00:25:54,650 --> 00:25:51,930 out the back I'm always looking for this 530 00:25:58,820 --> 00:25:54,660 thing it's just you know where where is 531 00:26:00,850 --> 00:25:58,830 it just it's gone it was cool to see it 532 00:26:03,340 --> 00:26:00,860 but at the same time you know I'm still 533 00:26:07,490 --> 00:26:03,350 looking forward to pop up again someday 534 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:07,500 okay well I wanted to ask you Dean about 535 00:26:13,790 --> 00:26:11,490 drones the quad copters multirotors that 536 00:26:15,470 --> 00:26:13,800 people fly for hobby do you mind telling 537 00:26:17,810 --> 00:26:15,480 us a little bit about that and how I 538 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:17,820 think that you also get involved in 539 00:26:29,780 --> 00:26:25,410 building and flying them yes after the 540 00:26:33,020 --> 00:26:29,790 case there was speculation I jumped into 541 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:33,030 the whole argument but building drones 542 00:26:39,170 --> 00:26:36,330 and I started building them because you 543 00:26:41,210 --> 00:26:39,180 can buy a drone and fly it but it's not 544 00:26:42,410 --> 00:26:41,220 as much fun to me because I want to know 545 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:42,420 how it works because I know I'm gonna 546 00:26:48,350 --> 00:26:46,290 crash it that's what I started doing is 547 00:26:50,210 --> 00:26:48,360 and you do crash them you know if you 548 00:26:52,550 --> 00:26:50,220 buy a drone that's the first north 549 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:52,560 that's the first log dirty you're gonna 550 00:26:58,850 --> 00:26:55,050 crash it right well I'm able to rebuild 551 00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:58,860 and now I've got like a little squadron 552 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:00,960 of maybe five or six drones in my garage 553 00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:05,490 that I can fly but anyway when you look 554 00:27:11,210 --> 00:27:07,710 at them with a FLIR camera I don't know 555 00:27:13,580 --> 00:27:11,220 if you had the video but you see the 556 00:27:16,190 --> 00:27:13,590 legs you see the rotors you see the heat 557 00:27:18,590 --> 00:27:16,200 and the motor see it's pretty obvious 558 00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:18,600 it's a drone there's not you don't see a 559 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:22,320 blob of heat it's you're able to 560 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:25,170 distinguish movement you know you know 561 00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:27,690 or you would see like if it was a model 562 00:27:35,060 --> 00:27:29,580 plane or something you'd see the heat of 563 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:35,070 the propulsion does that make sense yeah 564 00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:40,970 yeah and but you know you might end up 565 00:27:46,010 --> 00:27:44,310 being a little redundant here but that's 566 00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:46,020 okay because I want our listeners to 567 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:49,380 hear why you think 568 00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:53,970 some objects seen in Fleur videos could 569 00:27:59,659 --> 00:27:57,360 not be drones can you can you break it 570 00:28:01,850 --> 00:27:59,669 down even further or give more arguments 571 00:28:09,139 --> 00:28:01,860 regarding why that's the separation 572 00:28:11,570 --> 00:28:09,149 between that okay use me for example 573 00:28:15,019 --> 00:28:11,580 let's take the Aguadilla case where you 574 00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:15,029 have the supposed object going across 575 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:16,529 the island a lot of people have said ah 576 00:28:20,899 --> 00:28:18,450 well probably there's a drone and 577 00:28:23,060 --> 00:28:20,909 somebody just flew it and I said well 578 00:28:25,220 --> 00:28:23,070 that's not really feasible because to 579 00:28:26,659 --> 00:28:25,230 fly a drone at night you're gonna need a 580 00:28:28,249 --> 00:28:26,669 couple of different things you're gonna 581 00:28:30,980 --> 00:28:28,259 need lights on the drone that show you 582 00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:30,990 the position of the drone I've seen that 583 00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:34,320 yeah yeah so I usually have like green 584 00:28:38,749 --> 00:28:35,940 on the back leg this would show me it's 585 00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,759 facing away from me and red if it gets 586 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:40,559 turned around because you have to have 587 00:28:45,740 --> 00:28:42,330 it you know it fits the wrong position 588 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:45,750 in Y all the way that you steer and it's 589 00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:48,330 gonna go a different direction so anyway 590 00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:51,120 you would have to be a pretty advanced 591 00:28:58,639 --> 00:28:54,240 drone flier to be flying at night that 592 00:29:00,529 --> 00:28:58,649 much travel because typically even the 593 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:00,539 drones that I build they only have like 594 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:03,450 a mile range so your dad it's sort of 595 00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:05,370 like any kind of an RC aircraft that 596 00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:08,399 isn't it exactly so that's what I use is 597 00:29:15,740 --> 00:29:13,320 a turnigy RC controller so it only has 598 00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:15,750 so much range and then once the range is 599 00:29:21,619 --> 00:29:18,799 done it's just gonna fall out of the sky 600 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:21,629 unless it has an auto return function or 601 00:29:26,690 --> 00:29:23,970 something like that but yeah this thing 602 00:29:31,090 --> 00:29:26,700 just went right into the okay I mean it 603 00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:31,100 just didn't add up for me okay go ahead 604 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:34,320 just again you would see some movement 605 00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:35,610 of the blades 606 00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,919 you know chopping the air you would see 607 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:40,080 the the heat of those motors it's not 608 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:42,330 going to be a solid ball a heat even if 609 00:29:49,850 --> 00:29:45,210 it's a drone unless you make the drone a 610 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:49,860 solid looking object and it's heated up 611 00:29:55,249 --> 00:29:51,450 somehow which would be ridiculous but 612 00:29:58,100 --> 00:29:55,259 anyway I noticed a picture where you're 613 00:30:00,279 --> 00:29:58,110 flying so you have your pilot's license 614 00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:00,289 and when did you get involved in that 615 00:30:06,539 --> 00:30:02,710 I'm a hobbyist so 616 00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:06,549 okay I started years ago before the FAA 617 00:30:12,419 --> 00:30:08,409 got involved with it a lot of the 618 00:30:14,820 --> 00:30:12,429 groaning no I didn't register the drones 619 00:30:17,159 --> 00:30:14,830 but now they think they are at the point 620 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:17,169 where you're like a hobbyist then we're 621 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:18,850 not concerned about you having drones 622 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:21,570 license I think you need a license to do 623 00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:24,250 commercial type of applications like if 624 00:30:29,940 --> 00:30:27,279 you're gonna do surveying or if you're 625 00:30:31,919 --> 00:30:29,950 gonna do like a real estate pan around 626 00:30:33,389 --> 00:30:31,929 the house with the drone that kind of 627 00:30:35,460 --> 00:30:33,399 thing if you use an ink professionally 628 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:35,470 in essence then you need the drones 629 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:37,330 license otherwise it's a hobbyist you 630 00:30:42,029 --> 00:30:39,610 can you know you're limited to certain 631 00:30:43,529 --> 00:30:42,039 things like you can only have like 400 632 00:30:44,940 --> 00:30:43,539 feet in elevation you're not supposed to 633 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:44,950 fly at night you're not supposed to 634 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:46,570 drink a lot of beer before you fly that 635 00:30:53,419 --> 00:30:51,610 kind of okay and then I wanted to jump 636 00:30:58,260 --> 00:30:53,429 to a different subject Frank and that is 637 00:31:02,039 --> 00:30:58,270 Dean on our show while back we had USS 638 00:31:05,490 --> 00:31:02,049 Nimitz in USS Princeton folks talking 639 00:31:08,060 --> 00:31:05,500 about the tic-tac object and you know 640 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:08,070 something really interesting came up I 641 00:31:16,620 --> 00:31:12,490 asked them the gist of my question was 642 00:31:19,710 --> 00:31:16,630 do you believe that UFO was derived from 643 00:31:22,860 --> 00:31:19,720 et related technology or do you believe 644 00:31:25,740 --> 00:31:22,870 it was one of ours and one of them said 645 00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:25,750 it was one of ours how do you feel about 646 00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:26,529 that 647 00:31:36,539 --> 00:31:34,110 possibility I mean if you look at DARPA 648 00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:36,549 you know Defense Advanced Research 649 00:31:42,330 --> 00:31:39,760 Projects Agency they do a lot of crazy 650 00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:42,340 stuff and probably have technology that 651 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:44,710 we're not aware of so I wouldn't rule it 652 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:47,130 out I would say that's definitely a 653 00:31:56,340 --> 00:31:52,450 plausible explanation okay and wanted to 654 00:31:59,490 --> 00:31:56,350 ask you going along that idea that it is 655 00:32:02,100 --> 00:31:59,500 ours would it be true then that the 656 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:02,110 military is ahead by I'm just making it 657 00:32:07,500 --> 00:32:05,289 up I've always heard 10 to 20 years 658 00:32:12,539 --> 00:32:07,510 maybe even slightly longer in their 659 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:12,549 technology than the private sector how 660 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:13,690 do you how do you what's your 661 00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:16,330 perspective on that 662 00:32:22,590 --> 00:32:18,640 yeah I could say that's the possibility 663 00:32:25,500 --> 00:32:22,600 - I think you kind of have to be high up 664 00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:25,510 there in order to be privy to that kind 665 00:32:36,050 --> 00:32:28,240 of technology mm-hmm I've seen some 666 00:32:38,340 --> 00:32:36,060 technology when I was in AV missiles and 667 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:38,350 that was something we just didn't talk 668 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:41,890 about but it's probably a normal thing 669 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:44,770 nowadays but well the problem I have 670 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:47,770 with it being one of ours is is if the 671 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:52,930 technology is maybe 10 to 20 years in 672 00:32:57,270 --> 00:32:55,050 the future according to that military 673 00:32:58,920 --> 00:32:57,280 that theory just gave you about the 674 00:33:01,410 --> 00:32:58,930 military being ahead in the technology 675 00:33:06,060 --> 00:33:01,420 by 10 to 20 years when they have to be 676 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:06,070 ahead by many years many many more years 677 00:33:10,410 --> 00:33:08,410 than say 10 to 20 years to have an 678 00:33:20,250 --> 00:33:10,420 object traverse space like that ticked 679 00:33:26,430 --> 00:33:20,260 acted you're just saying it's possible 680 00:33:28,290 --> 00:33:26,440 still anyway right because you know if 681 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:28,300 you're gonna go into the theory that 682 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:31,210 there's reverse engineering then you 683 00:33:36,420 --> 00:33:34,450 know yeah it could be you know when did 684 00:33:37,860 --> 00:33:36,430 we come out with transistors and lasers 685 00:33:40,650 --> 00:33:37,870 did we already have that technology 686 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:40,660 before there's a lot of hypotheses going 687 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:43,810 on about that okay you know this 688 00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:45,850 breakthrough of technology like the 689 00:33:51,450 --> 00:33:48,880 transistor or the laser you know it just 690 00:33:54,330 --> 00:33:51,460 maybe these things have been kept by the 691 00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:54,340 government well before you know the 692 00:33:57,630 --> 00:33:56,110 private sector was ready or maybe they 693 00:34:00,150 --> 00:33:57,640 wanted a slow trickle down I don't know 694 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:00,160 I just played one of your videos Dean 695 00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:03,250 where there was a UFO Jacksonville was 696 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:05,110 that the UFO you were talking about 697 00:34:12,570 --> 00:34:09,210 before is that something different yeah 698 00:34:15,150 --> 00:34:12,580 a lot of people when you first see the 699 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:15,160 UFO and I'm making it move around that's 700 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:18,610 me moving the controller around to show 701 00:34:23,010 --> 00:34:20,650 that it's not a group of dead pixels or 702 00:34:26,070 --> 00:34:23,020 anything that's me centering the object 703 00:34:27,570 --> 00:34:26,080 within the reticle so a lot of people 704 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:27,580 are like oh it's zipping around the sky 705 00:34:32,490 --> 00:34:30,130 and I'm like no that's me it's just you 706 00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:32,500 I have a point of reference to show you 707 00:34:37,050 --> 00:34:34,480 know where it is in relation to you know 708 00:34:38,700 --> 00:34:37,060 just clear sky right right but that what 709 00:34:43,940 --> 00:34:38,710 I was trying to do is to show that it 710 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:47,820 okay and I wanted to ask you what is the 711 00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:51,850 the most astounding object you've seen 712 00:34:56,610 --> 00:34:54,250 whether it was something you caught or 713 00:34:58,500 --> 00:34:56,620 something somebody else had actually 714 00:35:00,180 --> 00:34:58,510 thought that you had the privilege of 715 00:35:04,260 --> 00:35:00,190 being able to view on YouTube or 716 00:35:07,290 --> 00:35:04,270 anywhere else can you relate to us what 717 00:35:13,590 --> 00:35:07,300 that video or what that object was the 718 00:35:15,450 --> 00:35:13,600 history behind it you know first-hand 719 00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:15,460 experience so obviously it's going to be 720 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:18,160 a little bit more significant to me but 721 00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:20,530 I did like the gimbal one and there was 722 00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:24,910 also one from the npas what was at the 723 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:26,560 Wales Bristol Channel 724 00:35:32,820 --> 00:35:30,850 UFO that was caught on a system that I'm 725 00:35:35,250 --> 00:35:32,830 very familiar were that I work we have 726 00:35:36,930 --> 00:35:35,260 fixed dozens and dozens of them and seen 727 00:35:39,810 --> 00:35:36,940 many different characteristics of the 728 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:39,820 system still they were looking at an 729 00:35:45,450 --> 00:35:42,370 object again they're travelling in like 730 00:35:48,420 --> 00:35:45,460 a helicopter and they're focusing on a 731 00:35:52,020 --> 00:35:48,430 circle not unlike the object that I had 732 00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:52,030 you know some orb in the sky and it 733 00:35:57,660 --> 00:35:55,030 didn't move in elevation you know 734 00:35:59,490 --> 00:35:57,670 there's probably I don't know they would 735 00:36:01,830 --> 00:35:59,500 have saying it was flying into the wind 736 00:36:03,780 --> 00:36:01,840 so a lot of people are saying oh it 737 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:03,790 could be a Chinese lantern it could be a 738 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:07,090 drone but what I've seen it didn't 739 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:09,010 change in elevation that's that's the 740 00:36:14,850 --> 00:36:11,050 weirdest part for me it's remaining at a 741 00:36:17,730 --> 00:36:14,860 certain altitude and you know a Chinese 742 00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:17,740 lanterns gonna be kind of similar to a 743 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:20,110 balloon that's gonna be erratic yeah I 744 00:36:24,450 --> 00:36:22,210 think I might have this video up now 745 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:24,460 aardeen this looks like it's got some 746 00:36:31,530 --> 00:36:26,890 concentric circles within it is that the 747 00:36:33,180 --> 00:36:31,540 one I think so I see what am I looking 748 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:33,190 at I'm looking at my there's a little 749 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:35,530 bit of a delay so I'm going to it now 750 00:36:39,450 --> 00:36:37,690 that's it now yeah that's it right there 751 00:36:41,790 --> 00:36:39,460 so I think it's kind of maybe a little 752 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:41,800 out of focus right there and you can see 753 00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:43,570 them focus 754 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:46,720 in the objects but if you look let me 755 00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:51,850 look here put my glasses okay see the 756 00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:54,730 scale over to the left-hand side right 757 00:37:01,410 --> 00:36:58,240 and there 0 30 60 90 yeah 758 00:37:03,390 --> 00:37:01,420 so that's your elevation okay stake or 759 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:03,400 like you know they might have it at the 760 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:04,810 bottom - it's hard to see 761 00:37:10,410 --> 00:37:08,650 I might have elevation down there yeah I 762 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:10,420 think I saw there is an elevation but it 763 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:12,250 stays about like maybe five six seven 764 00:37:16,770 --> 00:37:14,410 degrees so does that get what the the 765 00:37:20,730 --> 00:37:16,780 azimuth then is that what that does or 766 00:37:22,590 --> 00:37:20,740 what does its way that's the elevation 767 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:22,600 the a Smith's on the bottom you see it's 768 00:37:27,630 --> 00:37:24,130 at like negative ninety degrees right 769 00:37:29,940 --> 00:37:27,640 there and now it's dipped below zero 770 00:37:31,950 --> 00:37:29,950 degrees in elevation right there at 771 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:31,960 least there might be a play like you 772 00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:34,570 said but um yeah it doesn't move much in 773 00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:39,040 elevation though balloon or Chinese 774 00:37:43,830 --> 00:37:40,480 lanterns going to be kind of all over 775 00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:43,840 the place yeah so that was the the video 776 00:37:51,390 --> 00:37:47,110 from wales bristol channel the MPAA 777 00:37:54,210 --> 00:37:51,400 right right okay so and you said you 778 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:54,220 like of the videos that were released by 779 00:37:57,740 --> 00:37:55,690 the Defense Department you like the 780 00:38:01,260 --> 00:37:57,750 gimbal the best is that about right 781 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:01,270 right yeah it's it's the that's the one 782 00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:11,410 where it's rotating looking crisp type 783 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:13,870 of outline to it and then it's got that 784 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:15,850 little point at the bottom which isn't 785 00:38:20,490 --> 00:38:19,090 really something I see at all so that's 786 00:38:23,250 --> 00:38:20,500 what kind of made me looking at the guns 787 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:23,260 out of the ordinary and then the rotate 788 00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:25,090 it's alright go ahead finish up please 789 00:38:32,940 --> 00:38:29,250 oh yeah the rotation you know you have a 790 00:38:36,350 --> 00:38:32,950 fluid motion when the Jets gonna turn 791 00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:36,360 it's not that course in its rotation 792 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:39,760 that's like a nurse driver okay and a 793 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:42,250 lot has been made of the lack of lift 794 00:38:46,590 --> 00:38:44,410 that if that were an actual plane 795 00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,600 turning like that and it was a holding 796 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:48,640 that position sort of that in that turn 797 00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:51,370 you know if it's a plane of course it 798 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:53,920 would really just drop it would just 799 00:38:56,970 --> 00:38:55,570 drop out of the skies or anything in now 800 00:38:59,790 --> 00:38:56,980 your FLIR background you could 801 00:39:04,320 --> 00:38:59,800 - that that gives you an indication that 802 00:39:06,660 --> 00:39:04,330 that might not be a good argument yeah 803 00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:06,670 as far as the aerodynamics of it I just 804 00:39:11,609 --> 00:39:09,369 call it like I see it but yeah it 805 00:39:14,730 --> 00:39:11,619 wouldn't if it was moving like that it 806 00:39:17,970 --> 00:39:14,740 would be more violent and turning it 807 00:39:22,170 --> 00:39:17,980 wouldn't just it just doesn't correspond 808 00:39:25,260 --> 00:39:22,180 to a normal jet aircraft moving in that 809 00:39:27,540 --> 00:39:25,270 fact okay and the go fast video was 810 00:39:29,609 --> 00:39:27,550 another interesting one because Nick 811 00:39:31,980 --> 00:39:29,619 West did they can a look at it and 812 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:31,990 thought that it was a bird I looked at 813 00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:33,970 it and thought well maybe at first but 814 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:35,440 it's going at a pretty good clip and 815 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:39,130 seabirds Dutra can travel at a fast clip 816 00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:41,650 but not that fast a clip and it was 817 00:39:43,770 --> 00:39:43,119 wondering if you had any thoughts on 818 00:39:45,780 --> 00:39:43,780 that one as well 819 00:39:48,510 --> 00:39:45,790 on the go fast because he was also 820 00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:48,520 saying that that parallax which is an 821 00:39:51,810 --> 00:39:50,560 interesting phenomenon might have played 822 00:39:53,540 --> 00:39:51,820 a role in making it look like it was 823 00:39:56,420 --> 00:39:53,550 going faster than it actually was 824 00:39:59,880 --> 00:39:56,430 because the plane is traveling as well 825 00:40:02,010 --> 00:39:59,890 right and that's where I kind of jump 826 00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:02,020 out of that science because it's not my 827 00:40:07,730 --> 00:40:04,720 particular field of expertise though but 828 00:40:10,650 --> 00:40:07,740 I do see it moving in that fashion and 829 00:40:14,490 --> 00:40:10,660 kind of trust them to a certain extent 830 00:40:18,420 --> 00:40:14,500 but it again the thing I can't agree 831 00:40:22,349 --> 00:40:18,430 with the period or the flapping of wings 832 00:40:24,690 --> 00:40:22,359 right things that are moving like these 833 00:40:27,810 --> 00:40:24,700 orbs are gonna be drones or birds but 834 00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:27,820 you see the characteristics of the 835 00:40:33,060 --> 00:40:30,609 object how it's moving I see you know 836 00:40:35,490 --> 00:40:33,070 even birds that are like miles out I can 837 00:40:38,670 --> 00:40:35,500 see a flapping of wings or I can see the 838 00:40:42,359 --> 00:40:38,680 seagull shaped look over their outline 839 00:40:46,130 --> 00:40:42,369 and you know a drone I can see that it's 840 00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:46,140 moving parts it's not just a blob soon 841 00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:48,640 that's where I'm left with that yeah and 842 00:40:53,970 --> 00:40:51,520 there has been talk that some of these 843 00:40:56,070 --> 00:40:53,980 objects might be drones I mean they 844 00:40:57,980 --> 00:40:56,080 would obviously be more of the type of 845 00:41:00,750 --> 00:40:57,990 the military drones that we see 846 00:41:04,410 --> 00:41:00,760 photographed as sort of triangular 847 00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:04,420 shaped drones as compared to sort of the 848 00:41:08,820 --> 00:41:06,880 bolted together drones that people get 849 00:41:10,299 --> 00:41:08,830 privately a little bit of a difference 850 00:41:12,549 --> 00:41:10,309 there what rules out 851 00:41:16,229 --> 00:41:12,559 drone in your mind for any of the DoD 852 00:41:25,630 --> 00:41:23,620 I guess the travel like some of the that 853 00:41:27,969 --> 00:41:25,640 speed because I know the drones that I 854 00:41:30,339 --> 00:41:27,979 make and again they're not high-end but 855 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:30,349 I don't know you can get maybe fifty 856 00:41:36,370 --> 00:41:33,410 miles an hour out of them but it depends 857 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:36,380 on the motor speed and how we're bus do 858 00:41:42,489 --> 00:41:40,249 you build this drone and just the area 859 00:41:44,140 --> 00:41:42,499 that they're in you know who's gonna fly 860 00:41:47,859 --> 00:41:44,150 a drone out in the middle of the ocean 861 00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:47,869 around a US naval vessel it just doesn't 862 00:41:52,779 --> 00:41:49,209 make sense 863 00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:52,789 yeah and I'm starting to rip but that's 864 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:55,609 a good point see this is the thing if 865 00:42:00,539 --> 00:41:57,650 this is one of ours 866 00:42:02,709 --> 00:42:00,549 the the problem I have with it is 867 00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:02,719 exactly what you just said 868 00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:08,319 why would DARPA or any agency that is 869 00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:11,839 from our government want to fly over 870 00:42:18,729 --> 00:42:14,689 another one of our government agencies 871 00:42:21,609 --> 00:42:18,739 or one of our branches of military what 872 00:42:23,499 --> 00:42:21,619 do you think about well unless they're 873 00:42:25,419 --> 00:42:23,509 playing like you know simulation 874 00:42:28,689 --> 00:42:25,429 wargames where they're testing out hey 875 00:42:30,939 --> 00:42:28,699 how does this f-18 maneuver in relation 876 00:42:32,859 --> 00:42:30,949 to what we just created you know as 877 00:42:34,660 --> 00:42:32,869 they're trying to test the capabilities 878 00:42:38,289 --> 00:42:34,670 of the aircraft's I couldn't see that 879 00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:38,299 but the pilots are saying no they just 880 00:42:44,979 --> 00:42:41,839 popped up out of nowhere and then you 881 00:42:47,229 --> 00:42:44,989 know they they explain their their 882 00:42:49,689 --> 00:42:47,239 experience and then you know if they're 883 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:49,699 gonna tell a pilot they would say hey 884 00:42:53,259 --> 00:42:51,650 look you know we're gonna launch this 885 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:53,269 aircraft you guys are gonna chase it for 886 00:42:56,259 --> 00:42:54,890 a little bit we're gonna debrief you on 887 00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,269 that they're not just gonna throw it out 888 00:43:00,849 --> 00:42:58,880 there wait at least the Navy that I know 889 00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:00,859 unless they've changed their protocol 890 00:43:06,429 --> 00:43:04,400 right so so this is a thing 891 00:43:07,929 --> 00:43:06,439 there's pilots coming out saying that 892 00:43:12,370 --> 00:43:07,939 they didn't know what it was they saw 893 00:43:14,890 --> 00:43:12,380 and so if it was one of ours and we 894 00:43:17,289 --> 00:43:14,900 would in theory at least briefed them 895 00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:17,299 when we at least let them know by the 896 00:43:22,449 --> 00:43:19,849 way this was just a test we're just 897 00:43:24,190 --> 00:43:22,459 testing our equipment to see what your 898 00:43:25,780 --> 00:43:24,200 reaction would be whether 899 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:25,790 you would go ahead and use the best of 900 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:29,890 your training in order to track this UAP 901 00:43:35,980 --> 00:43:33,650 what are you just yeah I think that the 902 00:43:37,930 --> 00:43:35,990 debriefing you know you go through this 903 00:43:40,060 --> 00:43:37,940 experience and then they would probably 904 00:43:41,770 --> 00:43:40,070 pull you aside I don't you know we're 905 00:43:43,660 --> 00:43:41,780 room and say hey look you know we were 906 00:43:45,069 --> 00:43:43,670 just messing with you we got this new 907 00:43:50,410 --> 00:43:45,079 thing out there and here's the 908 00:43:53,890 --> 00:43:50,420 capabilities and so that so then that 909 00:43:55,780 --> 00:43:53,900 leads me to ask you again then how could 910 00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:55,790 it be one of ours if we're not briefing 911 00:43:59,380 --> 00:43:57,530 them in that way because then why would 912 00:44:03,210 --> 00:43:59,390 pilots come out and say I don't know 913 00:44:07,329 --> 00:44:03,220 what I saw because they really don't 914 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:07,339 maybe they were doing a separate step or 915 00:44:12,190 --> 00:44:08,930 type of project and there was an 916 00:44:14,650 --> 00:44:12,200 intercept between you know the planes on 917 00:44:17,260 --> 00:44:14,660 the aircraft carrier we're not flying 918 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:17,270 and then this project hypothetical 919 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:18,650 project maybe there was just an 920 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:21,170 intercept but I don't see why they would 921 00:44:26,890 --> 00:44:23,930 do that it doesn't make sense to me yeah 922 00:44:31,420 --> 00:44:26,900 because my understanding is the military 923 00:44:33,849 --> 00:44:31,430 and any agency of that would want to 924 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:33,859 have a UAP in the sky so to speak we'll 925 00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:37,490 just call it a uep and intentionally so 926 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:39,920 would probably know what's going to be 927 00:44:44,109 --> 00:44:42,170 in the sky that day you would imagine 928 00:44:46,270 --> 00:44:44,119 because they don't want it to intersect 929 00:44:49,329 --> 00:44:46,280 and crash with anything so would be a 930 00:44:53,050 --> 00:44:49,339 planned event right that's what I would 931 00:44:55,089 --> 00:44:53,060 think I'm just trying to keep yeah I'm 932 00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:55,099 just I thought about this and I you know 933 00:44:59,470 --> 00:44:57,530 just ever since the was it before he's 934 00:45:02,800 --> 00:44:59,480 by the way that said that it was Gary 935 00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:02,810 yep okay you know Gary I believe it was 936 00:45:05,950 --> 00:45:04,910 carrying Frank's right said yeah he 937 00:45:08,620 --> 00:45:05,960 thought it was one of ours 938 00:45:12,190 --> 00:45:08,630 I was thinking as you can clearly see 939 00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:12,200 for a while well how could that be 940 00:45:17,770 --> 00:45:14,960 wouldn't we want to let them know we're 941 00:45:22,059 --> 00:45:17,780 going to have that kind of exercise if 942 00:45:23,530 --> 00:45:22,069 we're not going to why I don't know was 943 00:45:27,609 --> 00:45:23,540 it a social experiment with their own 944 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:27,619 people in just an eg spacecraft to never 945 00:45:31,809 --> 00:45:28,010 know 946 00:45:33,849 --> 00:45:31,819 government agencies they don't always 947 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:33,859 cooperate you can have the CIA doing 948 00:45:37,380 --> 00:45:35,930 something and be like we need to fly 949 00:45:39,749 --> 00:45:37,390 over this way and then 950 00:45:41,789 --> 00:45:39,759 getting it there's that aircraft carrier 951 00:45:44,009 --> 00:45:41,799 it could be something they'd there's no 952 00:45:45,059 --> 00:45:44,019 communication between the military and a 953 00:45:48,499 --> 00:45:45,069 government agency 954 00:46:02,460 --> 00:45:48,509 I just like to think that there's other 955 00:46:05,279 --> 00:46:02,470 explanations but uh okay so anyway just 956 00:46:07,470 --> 00:46:05,289 to I'm started this there's one last 957 00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:07,480 thing I'm to say about this and that is 958 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:09,730 let's just pretend DARPA for the heck of 959 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:13,210 it actually how to plan you ap event 960 00:46:17,370 --> 00:46:15,249 that was going to happen and they do 961 00:46:19,620 --> 00:46:17,380 need to know who's gonna be out in the 962 00:46:21,779 --> 00:46:19,630 sky that day wouldn't that be the 963 00:46:23,849 --> 00:46:21,789 military's hint if they're being asked 964 00:46:26,910 --> 00:46:23,859 by DARPA hey are you guys flying today 965 00:46:34,529 --> 00:46:26,920 there could be a PE related event that's 966 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:34,539 going to happen see that's what I was 967 00:46:38,999 --> 00:46:36,730 gonna ask you do you think that DARPA 968 00:46:41,130 --> 00:46:39,009 and other government agencies have a way 969 00:46:43,710 --> 00:46:41,140 of actually knowing what's gonna be in 970 00:46:45,569 --> 00:46:43,720 the sky even if they don't ask the 971 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:45,579 military if they're gonna be flying that 972 00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:47,410 day is there a way for them find out 973 00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:49,839 yeah well there was and we well we found 974 00:46:55,049 --> 00:46:52,930 this out after the fact but it is known 975 00:46:58,620 --> 00:46:55,059 that there was a test of a hypersonic 976 00:47:02,160 --> 00:46:58,630 craft in the general vicinity of the 977 00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:02,170 Nimitz encounter during that timeframe 978 00:47:08,249 --> 00:47:06,910 and obviously what they captured a video 979 00:47:10,019 --> 00:47:08,259 doesn't look anything like what was 980 00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,029 being tested or anything along those 981 00:47:14,670 --> 00:47:12,640 lines but it's not been confirmed as far 982 00:47:16,739 --> 00:47:14,680 as I know that anybody on the ship 983 00:47:17,970 --> 00:47:16,749 actually knew about that test going on I 984 00:47:19,220 --> 00:47:17,980 don't know if they did or they didn't 985 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:19,230 but you would think they would have 986 00:47:30,210 --> 00:47:28,450 exactly go ahead okay so let me just go 987 00:47:32,009 --> 00:47:30,220 ahead and be blunt here and ask you Dean 988 00:47:34,620 --> 00:47:32,019 do you believe that there's 989 00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:34,630 extraterrestrial life that's visiting 990 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:37,359 our planet or they've always been here 991 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:39,249 whatever your perspective is but do you 992 00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:41,650 believe that there's extraterrestrial 993 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:43,630 life that's intelligent enough to 994 00:47:55,849 --> 00:47:52,130 I think Jodie Foster said in that 995 00:47:57,529 --> 00:47:55,859 contact movie it'd be an awful waste of 996 00:48:01,400 --> 00:47:57,539 space that there there wasn't other 997 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:01,410 life-forms yeah you know the more we 998 00:48:05,660 --> 00:48:04,170 figure out I think and there's other 999 00:48:07,759 --> 00:48:05,670 things that are on this planet that you 1000 00:48:09,289 --> 00:48:07,769 can watch an ancient aliens I think 1001 00:48:11,450 --> 00:48:09,299 sometimes ancient aliens kind of 1002 00:48:15,370 --> 00:48:11,460 stretches things to just to generate a 1003 00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:15,380 show but they do have some what is it 1004 00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:18,839 what's I think it's in Peru Mountain 1005 00:48:22,339 --> 00:48:21,119 Time oh yeah yeah yeah yeah well yeah 1006 00:48:23,749 --> 00:48:22,349 there's a few of that I thought you were 1007 00:48:26,029 --> 00:48:23,759 going in a different direction but yeah 1008 00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:26,039 I know what you mean yep I'm just saying 1009 00:48:31,759 --> 00:48:29,369 ya jus think there's things that can't 1010 00:48:35,289 --> 00:48:31,769 be explained and the only explanation is 1011 00:48:40,130 --> 00:48:35,299 some kind of outside and any Wayne 1012 00:48:43,309 --> 00:48:40,140 interaction I don't like the only thing 1013 00:48:45,710 --> 00:48:43,319 that I had was that one shot that you 1014 00:48:47,870 --> 00:48:45,720 showed earlier that was the orb up in 1015 00:48:50,420 --> 00:48:47,880 the sky and that may or may not be 1016 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:50,430 explained sometime in the future but as 1017 00:48:55,789 --> 00:48:52,650 far as aliens you know being in the 1018 00:49:03,319 --> 00:48:55,799 government reptile people that's a hard 1019 00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:03,329 one for me to accept yeah but yeah 1020 00:49:06,170 --> 00:49:04,710 you're interested in this started with 1021 00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:06,180 Aguadilla as you mentioned and that 1022 00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:09,119 predated the more recent videos coming 1023 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:11,940 out when those well the two at first and 1024 00:49:16,489 --> 00:49:13,890 then the one later on in that March of 1025 00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:16,499 last year came out the gimbal and the 1026 00:49:23,089 --> 00:49:19,710 FLIR and then in March of 2018 the 1027 00:49:27,470 --> 00:49:23,099 go-fast video what was your initial 1028 00:49:29,029 --> 00:49:27,480 response to those and clear but the 1029 00:49:32,089 --> 00:49:29,039 gimbal is the one that stood out to me 1030 00:49:35,059 --> 00:49:32,099 because if you're gonna say it's a jet 1031 00:49:38,599 --> 00:49:35,069 propulsion and you're looking at the 1032 00:49:40,729 --> 00:49:38,609 rear of the aircraft that's where I said 1033 00:49:43,789 --> 00:49:40,739 that doesn't look like it at all so and 1034 00:49:47,509 --> 00:49:43,799 I have video to compare so that's why I 1035 00:49:53,569 --> 00:49:47,519 got involved in that one but it was 1036 00:49:56,359 --> 00:49:53,579 interesting to me it was very I can't 1037 00:49:59,650 --> 00:49:56,369 think of the word flatten system Riyadh 1038 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:02,200 okay so going along the idea that you do 1039 00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:05,090 believe that there is an ET or ET 1040 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:10,610 civilizations out there that are 1041 00:50:13,390 --> 00:50:12,890 visiting the planet or have always been 1042 00:50:16,030 --> 00:50:13,400 here 1043 00:50:18,430 --> 00:50:16,040 you do believe also would it be correct 1044 00:50:24,850 --> 00:50:18,440 to say that they have the capability of 1045 00:50:26,610 --> 00:50:24,860 going under the water - yeah this is 1046 00:50:29,830 --> 00:50:26,620 just a theory but I don't think their 1047 00:50:34,050 --> 00:50:29,840 technology is the same as us that it's 1048 00:50:38,980 --> 00:50:34,060 limited to atmospheric type of 1049 00:50:40,780 --> 00:50:38,990 interference like when you see the 1050 00:50:43,780 --> 00:50:40,790 object from the Aguadilla go into the 1051 00:50:45,970 --> 00:50:43,790 water it remains at a constant speed it 1052 00:50:47,410 --> 00:50:45,980 doesn't slow down as a normal you know 1053 00:50:49,450 --> 00:50:47,420 let's say you launched a missile into 1054 00:50:51,070 --> 00:50:49,460 the water that's gonna slow down because 1055 00:50:53,950 --> 00:50:51,080 now you're traveling through water and 1056 00:50:56,410 --> 00:50:53,960 it's more friction than the air it's 1057 00:50:57,610 --> 00:50:56,420 obvious but I don't think I think there 1058 00:51:02,500 --> 00:50:57,620 might be some kind of gravitational 1059 00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:02,510 field that doesn't matter what kind of 1060 00:51:12,910 --> 00:51:10,910 medium you're traveling through and 1061 00:51:14,410 --> 00:51:12,920 after those videos came out there that's 1062 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:14,420 when you went out and really started 1063 00:51:18,070 --> 00:51:15,770 doing some testing is that about right 1064 00:51:22,540 --> 00:51:18,080 or did you do that for the Aguadilla 1065 00:51:24,190 --> 00:51:22,550 video as well no it started with the 1066 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:24,200 Aguadilla and that's when I did some 1067 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:29,210 testing and comparing because you know I 1068 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:30,650 was working with the guys and they asked 1069 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:32,210 me to do certain things and some things 1070 00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:34,490 I could do you know it's like 1071 00:51:39,940 --> 00:51:37,310 coincidental if I'm testing a system out 1072 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:39,950 back then yeah I can do a little bit of 1073 00:51:44,530 --> 00:51:41,570 a test or something that I can't just 1074 00:51:47,820 --> 00:51:44,540 stop you know do all these other tests 1075 00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:47,830 it's got to be coincidental but yeah 1076 00:51:54,250 --> 00:51:51,610 interesting I guess the whole 1077 00:51:57,100 --> 00:51:54,260 experimentation started with Aguadilla 1078 00:52:01,120 --> 00:51:57,110 and then i kind of advanced a little bit 1079 00:52:05,110 --> 00:52:01,130 after that with the go-fast and I'm 1080 00:52:07,780 --> 00:52:05,120 sorry to gamble and FLIR app apparently 1081 00:52:09,730 --> 00:52:07,790 is available for mobile phones do you 1082 00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:09,740 know anything about that and how good is 1083 00:52:15,410 --> 00:52:12,210 that system if you're familiar with it 1084 00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:15,420 yeah I actually have one okay pull the 1085 00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:18,569 FLIR one and it takes a thermal image 1086 00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:20,130 again it's a long wave if it's not mid 1087 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:23,730 wave but it it's an uncool FLIR and it 1088 00:52:31,370 --> 00:52:27,930 overlaps your normal camera that you'd 1089 00:52:33,530 --> 00:52:31,380 have on your phone onto the infrared so 1090 00:52:36,890 --> 00:52:33,540 it'll you're kind of looking at two 1091 00:52:38,900 --> 00:52:36,900 things at once okay it's good for 1092 00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:38,910 applications like if you're looking 1093 00:52:44,030 --> 00:52:40,319 around the house you want to see if your 1094 00:52:47,089 --> 00:52:44,040 windows are leaking or your insulation 1095 00:52:48,589 --> 00:52:47,099 and your AC system like the ducting in 1096 00:52:50,270 --> 00:52:48,599 LA if you want to look up in your attic 1097 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:50,280 and see if something's leaking you'll be 1098 00:52:54,829 --> 00:52:53,010 able to see it blow out it's definitely 1099 00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:54,839 it's these in the dark just like a 1100 00:53:01,549 --> 00:52:58,170 normal thermal imager would so you can 1101 00:53:03,140 --> 00:53:01,559 go outside and not have any light at all 1102 00:53:04,579 --> 00:53:03,150 in the ambient light and you can still 1103 00:53:06,589 --> 00:53:04,589 see objects like if somebody else 1104 00:53:08,329 --> 00:53:06,599 standing in your backyard you'll see the 1105 00:53:10,460 --> 00:53:08,339 person there because it's looking at 1106 00:53:13,250 --> 00:53:10,470 heat it's not looking at lights oh right 1107 00:53:16,490 --> 00:53:13,260 yeah it's kind of a lower resolution but 1108 00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:16,500 for for fun you know or if you have a 1109 00:53:22,819 --> 00:53:20,640 scientific reason to use it yeah what's 1110 00:53:24,650 --> 00:53:22,829 the cost point on that that way the 1111 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:24,660 price point so folks have an idea of 1112 00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:26,490 what they can expect to pay for 1113 00:53:31,549 --> 00:53:29,849 something like that yeah I bought mine 1114 00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:31,559 it's a second-generation I think that 1115 00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:33,839 was two hundred and fifty and I think 1116 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:35,910 they have a third generation now that 1117 00:53:40,940 --> 00:53:37,970 there's like a little foam wheel that 1118 00:53:45,020 --> 00:53:40,950 the Lightning port will extend out of 1119 00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:45,030 the the flare itself to allow for like a 1120 00:53:50,569 --> 00:53:47,730 cell phone case to where I have an 1121 00:53:52,940 --> 00:53:50,579 extender on mine but I like this option 1122 00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:52,950 on the third generation I think it's the 1123 00:53:58,520 --> 00:53:56,400 same price of $250 but you're able to 1124 00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:58,530 just plug it in you don't have to worry 1125 00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:00,000 about taking the case off or have an 1126 00:54:05,059 --> 00:54:03,000 extender how about the equipment that 1127 00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:05,069 you have that's FLIR related with what's 1128 00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:07,200 the actual cost of that or just a rough 1129 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:10,049 idea what kind of money do people need 1130 00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:12,690 to look forward to investing in order to 1131 00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:14,640 actually get to where you're at to use 1132 00:54:24,529 --> 00:54:19,920 the equipment that you do or do do you 1133 00:54:29,059 --> 00:54:26,269 time but this is government-owned 1134 00:54:31,759 --> 00:54:29,069 equipment that's with high-end equipment 1135 00:54:33,499 --> 00:54:31,769 like just one camera to replace a camera 1136 00:54:35,569 --> 00:54:33,509 might be sixty or seventy thousand 1137 00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:35,579 dollars and that doesn't even it all the 1138 00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:38,400 magnification so you know rough estimate 1139 00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:39,599 maybe a million 1140 00:54:43,609 --> 00:54:42,209 you know it's an airborne system so this 1141 00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:43,619 is the stuff that the government works 1142 00:54:50,809 --> 00:54:46,319 on and there's all associated cables the 1143 00:54:52,579 --> 00:54:50,819 hand controllers yeah it's gonna be well 1144 00:54:54,019 --> 00:54:52,589 outside don't you don't want to play 1145 00:55:02,269 --> 00:54:54,029 cheap on the cables if you're spending 1146 00:55:04,099 --> 00:55:02,279 all that money on the gear so just step 1147 00:55:05,779 --> 00:55:04,109 for like a regular person now let's say 1148 00:55:07,009 --> 00:55:05,789 I've got a sky watch tonight and it 1149 00:55:09,769 --> 00:55:07,019 looks like it's gonna be kind of clear 1150 00:55:11,989 --> 00:55:09,779 and it's gonna be a great night what 1151 00:55:13,579 --> 00:55:11,999 what would you recommend and do you 1152 00:55:15,769 --> 00:55:13,589 recommend folks stay with the night 1153 00:55:19,849 --> 00:55:15,779 vision or maybe they take a look at FLIR 1154 00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:19,859 and it is a consumer level set up but 1155 00:55:23,630 --> 00:55:21,569 you know is the price comparable to 1156 00:55:27,529 --> 00:55:23,640 night vision or can you tell us a little 1157 00:55:31,669 --> 00:55:27,539 bit about that um if you're seeing night 1158 00:55:34,219 --> 00:55:31,679 vision you mean like the near IR um kind 1159 00:55:35,749 --> 00:55:34,229 of like looking at I just know that a 1160 00:55:37,729 --> 00:55:35,759 friend of mine had a night vision 1161 00:55:39,439 --> 00:55:37,739 monocular it was pretty interesting to 1162 00:55:42,140 --> 00:55:39,449 see what you can see through that thing 1163 00:55:43,729 --> 00:55:42,150 so I really have never looked at the 1164 00:55:45,559 --> 00:55:43,739 different options that are available or 1165 00:55:47,899 --> 00:55:45,569 the pricing I just wanted to get an idea 1166 00:55:51,289 --> 00:55:47,909 what if somebody decided you know what I 1167 00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:51,299 think maybe we're technology would be 1168 00:55:54,529 --> 00:55:53,130 better for me than using the night 1169 00:55:56,779 --> 00:55:54,539 vision so I'll take a look at that is 1170 00:55:59,739 --> 00:55:56,789 that you know a viable option price-wise 1171 00:56:04,399 --> 00:55:59,749 and what you'll get out of the results 1172 00:56:06,019 --> 00:56:04,409 yeah if you want to use those 1173 00:56:08,569 --> 00:56:06,029 interchangeably is that you're still 1174 00:56:09,799 --> 00:56:08,579 depending on light your ambient light 1175 00:56:11,959 --> 00:56:09,809 light from the moon something like that 1176 00:56:14,029 --> 00:56:11,969 you're not looking at a thermal image 1177 00:56:15,919 --> 00:56:14,039 and not looking at a heat signature so 1178 00:56:20,749 --> 00:56:15,929 if you want to go into the realm of 1179 00:56:23,209 --> 00:56:20,759 actual I mean FLIR Systems Inc FSI you 1180 00:56:26,779 --> 00:56:23,219 kind of been flashing some of their 1181 00:56:30,019 --> 00:56:26,789 products on the screen they offer a wide 1182 00:56:32,329 --> 00:56:30,029 variety of options with magnification II 1183 00:56:34,819 --> 00:56:32,339 need you can have these things on your 1184 00:56:38,030 --> 00:56:34,829 rifle if you want a an infrared scope 1185 00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:38,040 that kind of thing but yeah 1186 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:41,250 a market that needs to be explored I 1187 00:56:47,390 --> 00:56:44,010 would say because they're just stuck 1188 00:56:48,970 --> 00:56:47,400 right now at the FLIR one which is the 1189 00:56:52,670 --> 00:56:48,980 thing that you can plug into your iPhone 1190 00:56:56,350 --> 00:56:52,680 they kind of would I don't know if they 1191 00:56:59,780 --> 00:56:56,360 came up with something that was more 1192 00:57:01,940 --> 00:56:59,790 higher resolution and it had some 1193 00:57:03,350 --> 00:57:01,950 magnification to it then I would 1194 00:57:04,940 --> 00:57:03,360 recommend that and they probably do but 1195 00:57:08,690 --> 00:57:04,950 they're probably handheld units I 1196 00:57:11,450 --> 00:57:08,700 haven't explored that too much so you 1197 00:57:15,950 --> 00:57:11,460 can go the low light round realm but 1198 00:57:18,070 --> 00:57:15,960 you're not going to get the same results 1199 00:57:20,660 --> 00:57:18,080 as you would with the thermal imagers 1200 00:57:22,370 --> 00:57:20,670 okay and the the gear that you did your 1201 00:57:25,820 --> 00:57:22,380 testing with that's the government gear 1202 00:57:28,310 --> 00:57:25,830 the you know the f-18 and all that right 1203 00:57:31,490 --> 00:57:28,320 okay okay 1204 00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:31,500 Dean there's a person uh I don't want to 1205 00:57:39,530 --> 00:57:33,570 say this individuals name but they do 1206 00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:39,540 tours regarding I guess sky tours you 1207 00:57:44,750 --> 00:57:42,240 know astronomy related ones were they 1208 00:57:46,730 --> 00:57:44,760 take somebody a group of folks out into 1209 00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:46,740 the desert look up in the sky with 1210 00:57:53,780 --> 00:57:50,160 night-vision binoculars military-issue 1211 00:57:56,750 --> 00:57:53,790 level is what they say they are wanted 1212 00:57:59,870 --> 00:57:56,760 to let you know that I have known a few 1213 00:58:03,740 --> 00:57:59,880 people to go on these tours and one of 1214 00:58:06,490 --> 00:58:03,750 them is an astronomer and he said that 1215 00:58:09,260 --> 00:58:06,500 all they were looking at was satellites 1216 00:58:11,060 --> 00:58:09,270 do you have any perspective regarding 1217 00:58:13,850 --> 00:58:11,070 folks who take people out into the 1218 00:58:18,170 --> 00:58:13,860 desert and say you're looking at ET 1219 00:58:21,310 --> 00:58:18,180 craft and misjudging it when they don't 1220 00:58:23,210 --> 00:58:21,320 actually realize it's satellite 1221 00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:23,220 satellites that they're looking at do 1222 00:58:29,390 --> 00:58:26,610 you have any insight on that I don't 1223 00:58:31,700 --> 00:58:29,400 have any experience with that though um 1224 00:58:34,250 --> 00:58:31,710 I don't know how well you're gonna be 1225 00:58:35,870 --> 00:58:34,260 able to pick up a satellite with you 1226 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:35,880 know that type of equipment I thought 1227 00:58:39,950 --> 00:58:37,890 that they are pretty much it needs a 1228 00:58:45,170 --> 00:58:39,960 pretty strong magnification as far as I 1229 00:58:47,330 --> 00:58:45,180 would think yeah well with the night 1230 00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:47,340 vision that you can you can see some 1231 00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:49,200 things really well and now they are 1232 00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:51,359 kind of blown up I can just tell you 1233 00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:53,130 from personal experience that you can 1234 00:58:59,630 --> 00:58:56,880 and that is very interesting very 1235 00:59:02,720 --> 00:58:59,640 interesting technology of course that is 1236 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:02,730 used for that and it is helpful you will 1237 00:59:06,740 --> 00:59:05,010 be able to spot satellites that you 1238 00:59:07,849 --> 00:59:06,750 might not normally be able to see but 1239 00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:07,859 you got to remember that those 1240 00:59:11,630 --> 00:59:09,930 satellites even though they're 1241 00:59:13,579 --> 00:59:11,640 reflecting a little bit of light because 1242 00:59:15,410 --> 00:59:13,589 they're up higher and they're still 1243 00:59:17,029 --> 00:59:15,420 catching the Sun the Sun you know likely 1244 00:59:20,059 --> 00:59:17,039 has just gone down they're at an 1245 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:20,069 altitude way way up there where you can 1246 00:59:23,299 --> 00:59:21,690 still see them and then of course once 1247 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:23,309 in a while they'll flare up because 1248 00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:25,410 they've got the big solar panels on them 1249 00:59:29,269 --> 00:59:26,880 and they'll reflect a lot of light and a 1250 00:59:32,539 --> 00:59:29,279 lot of the folks are out on these sky 1251 00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:32,549 watches they do think that what they're 1252 00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:36,809 seeing is ET craft but in reading with 1253 00:59:40,339 --> 00:59:38,130 them but in reality you know what 1254 00:59:42,650 --> 00:59:40,349 they're seeing is just light reflecting 1255 00:59:44,059 --> 00:59:42,660 off solar panels on a satellite and it 1256 00:59:52,059 --> 00:59:44,069 can flare up and it can really get your 1257 00:59:57,410 --> 00:59:54,890 what about exposure though to satellites 1258 00:59:59,839 --> 00:59:57,420 do you ever see satellites going by 1259 01:00:02,509 --> 00:59:59,849 during the day or at night when you're 1260 01:00:05,029 --> 01:00:02,519 using the equipment you do from the 1261 01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:05,039 government in order to survey the skies 1262 01:00:13,370 --> 01:00:11,130 you ever come across them no I'm not 1263 01:00:15,049 --> 01:00:13,380 quite sure why I think I have to the 1264 01:00:17,569 --> 01:00:15,059 atmosphere because once you get here 1265 01:00:19,579 --> 01:00:17,579 they likely get washed out during the 1266 01:00:21,170 --> 01:00:19,589 day it's at night when you can see them 1267 01:00:22,609 --> 01:00:21,180 and even then you see them a lot better 1268 01:00:27,740 --> 01:00:22,619 when they're directly overhead in the 1269 01:00:30,140 --> 01:00:27,750 darkest spot of the sky right so it's 1270 01:00:34,370 --> 01:00:30,150 possible it's just I worked the day 1271 01:00:35,630 --> 01:00:34,380 check so I would never know oh so the 1272 01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:35,640 folks that you work with 1273 01:00:41,749 --> 01:00:38,400 do they ever or throughout the history 1274 01:00:44,749 --> 01:00:41,759 of ever being around people that use the 1275 01:00:46,970 --> 01:00:44,759 kind of equipment you do through the 1276 01:00:49,609 --> 01:00:46,980 many years you've done it has anybody 1277 01:00:52,089 --> 01:00:49,619 ever confided in you whether they work 1278 01:00:54,620 --> 01:00:52,099 with you or you know them personally 1279 01:00:58,999 --> 01:00:54,630 that they have seen an object that they 1280 01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:59,009 believed to be eg craft related well 1281 01:01:02,220 --> 01:01:00,720 besides the one pilot that I mentioned 1282 01:01:05,099 --> 01:01:02,230 earlier 1283 01:01:07,289 --> 01:01:05,109 now it's pretty much you know it's a 1284 01:01:10,370 --> 01:01:07,299 technical shop there pretty much they'd 1285 01:01:14,970 --> 01:01:10,380 show up and they'd do the work and some 1286 01:01:16,890 --> 01:01:14,980 variety of beliefs and ideas that some 1287 01:01:18,809 --> 01:01:16,900 people will say yeah it's still weird 1288 01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:18,819 you know and the guy that first 1289 01:01:23,009 --> 01:01:20,079 approached me when I was on the computer 1290 01:01:25,319 --> 01:01:23,019 he still agrees why was that sitting in 1291 01:01:28,049 --> 01:01:25,329 the sky for 10-15 minutes but then other 1292 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:28,059 people like now that was just the ISS or 1293 01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:30,970 something right yeah things like that so 1294 01:01:47,269 --> 01:01:34,089 it's yeah I've seen the ISS and it does 1295 01:01:53,309 --> 01:01:49,920 all right well let's see what else I 1296 01:01:55,410 --> 01:01:53,319 wanted to see up so that part of Rico 1297 01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:55,420 Aguadilla UFO case when did that come to 1298 01:02:02,999 --> 01:01:57,039 your attention by the way before we let 1299 01:02:08,609 --> 01:02:03,009 that topic go not too long after all the 1300 01:02:11,069 --> 01:02:08,619 scu for Rico and then you know did their 1301 01:02:12,509 --> 01:02:11,079 analysis and then came back how did they 1302 01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:12,519 catch your attention though did you 1303 01:02:16,979 --> 01:02:14,799 actually see it in your Facebook feed 1304 01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:16,989 you know their report that they may have 1305 01:02:20,609 --> 01:02:19,119 done a post on or did somebody bring it 1306 01:02:22,670 --> 01:02:20,619 to your attention or did you just do a 1307 01:02:26,489 --> 01:02:22,680 search on it how did you know about it 1308 01:02:29,370 --> 01:02:26,499 I'm not sure if like an algorithm threw 1309 01:02:31,829 --> 01:02:29,380 it at me but I was just looking at 1310 01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:31,839 things online and that popped up and I 1311 01:02:37,370 --> 01:02:33,609 said no I haven't seen this before and 1312 01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:37,380 then one thing led to another after that 1313 01:02:42,089 --> 01:02:39,930 okay well yeah that's an absolutely 1314 01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:42,099 astounding case and they did a really 1315 01:02:46,170 --> 01:02:44,799 amazing report on it I highly recommend 1316 01:02:49,170 --> 01:02:46,180 people check that out I did leave the 1317 01:02:51,900 --> 01:02:49,180 link to it in the chat and Frank did you 1318 01:02:53,549 --> 01:02:51,910 have any other questions no we are good 1319 01:02:55,049 --> 01:02:53,559 we covered a lot of technical ground 1320 01:02:56,849 --> 01:02:55,059 today and I did that stay a little bit 1321 01:02:58,170 --> 01:02:56,859 focused on not getting those videos up 1322 01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:58,180 and played but I think they'll be 1323 01:03:04,289 --> 01:03:00,880 helpful as well Dean it's a I've been 1324 01:03:05,999 --> 01:03:04,299 great today 1325 01:03:08,309 --> 01:03:06,009 absolutely yeah we yeah we got through 1326 01:03:09,930 --> 01:03:08,319 everything pretty efficiently so I think 1327 01:03:13,140 --> 01:03:09,940 it was a great show I'm very pleased 1328 01:03:15,210 --> 01:03:13,150 about it I I think it was a great show 1329 01:03:15,810 --> 01:03:15,220 too I look forward to seeing it after 1330 01:03:18,450 --> 01:03:15,820 you guys 1331 01:03:22,170 --> 01:03:18,460 all published uh yep it'll be up and 1332 01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:22,180 should be processed shortly and chant do 1333 01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:23,410 you have anything else before we wrap up 1334 01:03:29,250 --> 01:03:27,610 I don't I just wanted to tell Dean that 1335 01:03:32,190 --> 01:03:29,260 it's been a privilege and an honor to 1336 01:03:34,380 --> 01:03:32,200 have the ability to interview him and 1337 01:03:36,780 --> 01:03:34,390 thank you so much for having spent time 1338 01:03:38,580 --> 01:03:36,790 with us on a Sunday I know you have a 1339 01:03:39,810 --> 01:03:38,590 family and we're just very grateful that 1340 01:03:43,310 --> 01:03:39,820 you took a little time out of your day 1341 01:03:45,870 --> 01:03:43,320 to be interviewed thank you so much 1342 01:03:49,590 --> 01:03:45,880 thanks a lot Dave I really appreciate it 1343 01:03:50,340 --> 01:03:49,600 well thank you guys we'll talk soon yep 1344 01:03:53,070 --> 01:03:50,350 absolutely 1345 01:03:55,710 --> 01:03:53,080 alright so we're gonna wrap things up 1346 01:03:58,140 --> 01:03:55,720 with fantastic show today yeah thanks 1347 01:04:00,600 --> 01:03:58,150 very much [\h__\h] and thanks again Dean and 1348 01:04:03,450 --> 01:04:00,610 we will be back I think our next 1349 01:04:05,460 --> 01:04:03,460 scheduled show is next Sunday and we've 1350 01:04:07,140 --> 01:04:05,470 got some more stuff coming up and chant 1351 01:04:08,610 --> 01:04:07,150 one of these days soon you will be 1352 01:04:11,070 --> 01:04:08,620 following up on that smoking gun 1353 01:04:12,990 --> 01:04:11,080 document and we'll get the rest of what 1354 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:13,000 you got lined up on that when do you 1355 01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:15,010 think you want to do that I'm putting 1356 01:04:21,420 --> 01:04:18,090 you on the spot by asking you on the air 1357 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:21,430 I know you and I talked about this often 1358 01:04:25,620 --> 01:04:23,770 you know look I'm just gonna be honest 1359 01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:25,630 with you I got a little burned out on it 1360 01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:31,330 because I was so much yeah and but yeah 1361 01:04:35,220 --> 01:04:33,280 I think it would be a bad idea for us to 1362 01:04:37,530 --> 01:04:35,230 go ahead and focus in on doing that say 1363 01:04:40,170 --> 01:04:37,540 next week so you discovered they have 1364 01:04:41,790 --> 01:04:40,180 you yeah okay sure you're right this 1365 01:04:43,050 --> 01:04:41,800 coming week because you and I have a lot 1366 01:04:44,790 --> 01:04:43,060 of research we've done extensive 1367 01:04:46,830 --> 01:04:44,800 research on that topic that we have not 1368 01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:46,840 shared with anybody and they think the 1369 01:04:50,550 --> 01:04:48,880 timing wouldn't be bad to do that so 1370 01:04:51,930 --> 01:04:50,560 yeah I think so I mean they've had a 1371 01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:51,940 couple of months and they really haven't 1372 01:04:56,010 --> 01:04:54,610 added anything to that mix so yeah we 1373 01:04:59,040 --> 01:04:56,020 definitely want to go ahead and do that 1374 01:05:00,720 --> 01:04:59,050 I think we I think we found out more 1375 01:05:03,150 --> 01:05:00,730 interesting stuff about their the case 1376 01:05:06,150 --> 01:05:03,160 even the stuff material that they could 1377 01:05:09,210 --> 01:05:06,160 spin in their own direction but we found 1378 01:05:11,610 --> 01:05:09,220 a lot of good stuff and yeah well let's 1379 01:05:14,220 --> 01:05:11,620 let's focus on that during the week and 1380 01:05:16,410 --> 01:05:14,230 I think next week next Sunday Professor 1381 01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:16,420 Kevin Knuth is gonna be back and then 1382 01:05:20,930 --> 01:05:18,490 Derek Gilbert who's gonna be hosting a 1383 01:05:22,860 --> 01:05:20,940 conference coming up in Missouri in 1384 01:05:25,050 --> 01:05:22,870 September and we're gonna be talking to 1385 01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:25,060 him so we've got a quite a few more 1386 01:05:29,460 --> 01:05:28,000 things lined up and that is about it 1387 01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:29,470 let's wrap things up and that 1388 01:05:32,849 --> 01:05:31,450 turn the fan back on and cool off so